frankly i don't think president obama should go. maybe just betrays my own personal background, chris, but i think it's a jump ball whether he should go to saint petersburg for the g-20 at all. >> you've been on the fringes of it. let's get directly into this question of the nsa, what it's doing, whether should be new limits. general, the house almost passed, as you well know last week, a measure offered by congressman amash, that would have put an end to the kind of blanket collection of phone records of all americans, and instead limit that only to information on americans who were under specific investigation for links to terrorism. on a practical level, general, would that have hamstrung you? >> oh, chris, it would have turned the program on its head. look, this isn't -- this program, the metadata program that we're talking about here -- isn't about targeting americans. it's about trying to define, trying to decide what the lightest touch possible, who in america should be targeted for increased interest from the fbi or from our